This blog was started and is continued by people who live in West Eureka in clear sight of the Samoa Pulp Mill.  We were the victims of the toxic fumes from Evergreen Pulp Inc. It has been said that we are lobbyists from Southern California or most recently part of a law firm in San Francisco.  No, we are just the pulp mill's neighbors.  We are concerned enough to spend the time to keep up this blog.

There has been a news blackout on what is happening with the mill and Freshwater Tissue Co.  We have been the only place where people could read about public hearings and correspondence with the mill.  We have notified people of their right to submit public comments along with addresses and dates.  We have also presented information from public documents.  This is why there are so many quotes, so there can be no mistake about what the Water Board, the Air Board, Freshwater or the E.P.A. had to say.  We always give a source.  We also give our opinions, but we try to be respectful.

This has not been the case with those who support the mill and Mr. Simpson.  Recently this blog has been flooded with personal attacks and downright bullying.  Under the guise of their blog names, they have presented information that, in our opinion, they know to be untrue. We have never deleted a comment, but in the future we reserve the right to delete comments that are abusive. W

Do we have the right to be concerned about a kraft pulp mill that plans to operate out of compliance with the Clean Water Act?  Yes, we do.
Do we have the right to be worried about future air quality violations?
Yes, we do.

According to the E.P.A. (10-2-07) "Particulate matter adversely affects humans principally through inhalation and the deposit of particulates in the nose, throat, and lungs.  Health effects from chronic exposure to high levels of particulate matter range from nasal irritation to bronchitis to emphysema.  Young children and the elderly are the most susceptible to the adverse effects of particulate matter once it is deposited in the body. Pulp mills also emit toxic metals including antimony, arsenic, beryllium, cadmium, chromium, cobalt, lead, manganese, nickel and selenium. Health effects associated with exposure to these toxic metals can include cancer, reproductive and developmental effects, gastrointestinal effects, damage to the nervous system and irritation to the eyes, skin, and respiratory system." This was from a piece about Evergreen Pulp Mill and the $5 million dollar settlement.

Nov. 2006 E.P.A. "Final Report: Pulp and Paper and Paperboard Detailed Study." "During its 2005 screening- level analysis of discharges from categories with existing regulations, E.P.A. determined the Pulp, Paper, and Paperboard Point Source Category ranked higher than any other category of discharges of toxic and nonconventional pollutants."
 



Bob Simpson
8/18/2010 09:11:20 am

Freshwater's website at www.freshwaterpulp.com is the best source of information for those interested in facts rather than pulp fiction.

1) The Regional Water Board re-issued the Samoa mill NPDES permit and CDO on July 15, 2010.

2) Carol Binder, under the name L.E.A.P. filed an appeal shortly after the permit was issued to stop the mill from reopening.

Carol Binder is the Blog's primary contributor. She has refused to accept my offer(s) to visit the Samoa mill, review the work conducted by independent scientists, or to consider how the evolution of technology has, and will continue, to improve the Samoa mill performance, which other than BOD, is already state of the art.

Lastly, I respond to her blogs using my name and I do my best to respect her opinions regardless of the fictional content. But I do find it interesting that Carol blogs under the name West Eureka.


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Sid Berg
8/18/2010 10:38:03 am

Bottom line is people in this country are going to need tissue paper. Closing this business is short sighted if it can be run to the highest enviormental standards, and I believe it can.
We have two choices.
#1. Shut it down, sell it for scrap, buy product made in polluting, sweatshops in Asia, further degrading our planet, doing nothing to further our own economy, and risking the loss of our local water rights,face unprecedented water rate increases and watch our funding for maintainince dredging go away, spelling the end of Humboldt Bay as a fishing or deepwater port.
#2. Support the start up of this existing facility, and work with Mr. Simpson and his staff to make sure this mill is brought in to compliance as soon as possible, and continue working with him to make this mill the example for other mills in the world to come up to its standards.
This is more than jobs in our community.
This is about doing the RIGHT THING!
What about grow local, support local?
I have worked in this mill years ago, and if it were under the same management from Louisiana, I would be opposed to it as well.

For the first time in history, we have a local owner that wants to do what is right for the environment,the community and the workers.
Lets work with him to achieve that goal, for our future and the generations to come.
Sid Berg

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OldGold
8/18/2010 01:07:47 pm

Going Global
Will shipping logs to China help rescue our economy, or just export jobs along with the cargo?
(July 29, 2010) So a 550-foot vessel will enter Humboldt Bay and dock at the Fairhaven Terminal on the Samoa Peninsula. Longshoremen, operating the ship’s own cranes, will then hoist aboard as many as five million board feet of timber — enough debarked, flagpole-straight White and Douglas fir logs to fill 1,200 logging trucks. Cargo acquired, the leviathan will then navigate back through the dredged channels of the bay, exiting its mouth into the wide expanse of the Pacific, across which — some 6,000 miles away — lies the timber’s destination: China.

What to make of this? On the one hand, economic activity is a welcome arrival to our struggling port. In recent years, shipping traffic in and out of the bay has dwindled to a trickle, sending the Humboldt Bay Harbor, Recreation and Conservation District toward insolvency but fast. And the local timber industry, well, it had already been reduced to a shadow of its former self before the housing market collapsed, taking a number of local mills, including the pulp mill, down in the process. A shipful of firs will provide much-needed paychecks for the loggers who cut them, the truckers who haul them, the mill workers who debark them and the longshoremen who load them onto the ship.

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paying attention
8/18/2010 02:36:04 pm

Simpson and gang need to stop lying about "tissue" there is not going to be any tissue.

This krap paper will be exported to China where it will prop up Chinese busineses.

When you base your business plan on a LIE it will never succeed.

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Bob Simpson
8/18/2010 08:15:46 pm

Our transparency proves our good faith. When we were unable to raise the capital to convert the pulp mill to a consumer-ready toilet tissue plant we modified our business plan to fit the budget. We intend to start out as a pulp mill and we will later convert the plant to make eco-friendly toilet tissue. It's as simple as that.

In my opinion, the short-term benefit of exporting logs to Asia is not wise. Our region will experience a net loss of jobs.

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Jack
8/19/2010 06:56:44 am

There is some information.That this site is funded by a law firm out of San Francisco.

Collette Erickson Farmer & O'Neill LLP

A San Francisco Law Firm Victorious in Bogus Lawsuit Involving Environmental Cases.They delight in a huge ruse used by environmental attorneys, a little-known law called the Equal Access to Justice Act.Allows for them to tie up a company, and then black mail them with an out of court settelment.

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8/19/2010 07:37:12 am

It is amazing that people think that this site is funded at all by anyone. This is a free website. Do you think that people in West Eureka don't know how to write? We can read and write and have attended all the meetings on the pulp mill. We also know how to send for public records under the freedom of information law and feel strongly enough about it to put it all on this free website. We don't need out of town funding.

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Jack
8/19/2010 07:45:21 am

They delight in a huge ruse used by environmental attorneys, a little-known law called the Equal Access to Justice Act.Allows for them to tie up a company, and then black mail them with an out of court settelment.

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Jack
8/19/2010 07:48:40 am

Whats amazing, is you think its ok to spew your misinformation.But not have it rebuffed by the truth.

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Jack
8/19/2010 07:54:36 am

Here you go ,,,,,,,,
Binder and Associates
2039 Shattuck Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94704
(510) 549-1895

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Jack
8/19/2010 07:56:37 am

It seems they have a front firm out of S.F to cover Carols last name.

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Bob Simpson
8/19/2010 08:04:44 am

Carol,

I don't know the people who are challenging you on this blog. But I don't believe anyone has accused you have taking money to support your website. I think what they are accusing you of is accepting free legal assistance to write appeals against permits, such as the NPDES OR CDO issue to Freshwater. Based on my conversations with you, I don't think you have the capacity to write an appeal. But I credit you for finding someone who could.

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8/19/2010 08:32:20 am

Think again. Never underestimate the power of the pen. It did not take legal assistance to summarize the problems with the Samoa Pulp Mill.

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Bob Simpson
8/19/2010 08:51:18 am

That would explain the inadequacy of your appeal.

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Oliver
8/19/2010 09:42:00 am

Just for the record, the last 'citizen' initiated civil action against the Samoa pulp mill was led by a local group, Klamath Law, in conjunction with a firm in San Francisco but not the one mentioned in this blog. Of course there was the Surfriders suit in the 1990s. I think the other legal actions against the mill have been initiated by government agencies.

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tinkerbell
8/19/2010 04:48:50 pm

After reading the nasty personal jibes and insults from the mill workers and Bob Simpson, I have almost no sympathy left for the mill workers and their leader. You are a bunch of bullies and don't know the meaning of truth. You are obviously used to forcing your way along as you pollute the world and want to pretend that you don't. I would have more respect for you if you admitted you are in a bind because millwork is your livelihood and you have not found any other options for employment. It would be a worthy cause to work to get something else going for you guys. How about it?

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Steve
8/19/2010 06:16:30 pm

Wow, Mr. Simpson,
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Perhaps the mill plans aren't going so well then?
What makes you so defensive?
Why resort to petty insults?

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Bill
8/19/2010 06:39:56 pm

Bob, if you were running for office you'd have just lost my vote. So low.

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Bob Simpson
8/20/2010 01:01:15 am

After 18 months of hard work to bridge differences between environmental advocacy and industry groups, labor and management, and obtaining our NPDES permit with the condition of building a new waste water treatment facility, Carol Binder and her cronies filed an inadequate appeal. I am confident the appeal will be overturned. But the ignorance of Carol's appeal allows me the time to demonstrate how little she truly knows about the pulping industry and I intend to rebuff the pulp fiction she spreads around this community.

I have reached out to Carol so that she could make an educated decision before doing something as selfish as to file an appeal that hurts working families and our community at large. She has declined my offer but continues to spread her pulp fiction as if though there was science to back up her stories. So please, don't ask me to be nice or happy. And Bill, I am not seeking your vote!

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T.P.Wypins
8/20/2010 02:26:07 am

I would say the real black clouds come from this web-site. "Pulp fiction".

Good luck to the mill workers,
Good luck to Mr Simpson

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Ex-p
8/20/2010 02:46:52 am

Tinkerbell;
This blog spreads mis-information and mixed up truths. With many attacks on Mr Simpson and other pro-mill posters.
Stating we are the bullys and liars here. Come on !
Your actions stand in deep contrast to your claims of honesty.

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Patrick
8/20/2010 05:14:00 am

Pulp fiction???? It is well documented scientific truth that, over the long term, people living near a kraft pulp mill are at risk of exposure to air pollutants that are detrimental - again over the long term - to human health. I know that there are many conditions complicating this fact, especially on a day to day, month to month, etc. basis. But the overall fact stated above is true and denying it is equavilent to denying the truth on man-made climate change or Darwinian evolutio. How people chose to react to this fact - accept it as a necessary risk for other goods, fight it or resist it, or whatever is a matter of individual decision. We still live in a free country and people who do not want to accept this health risk are free to do what they can within the law to eliminate it. Sorry but this is fact. As I get the time, I'll cite some of the scientific evidence on this blog.

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Hum4jobs
8/20/2010 06:31:36 am

1995 John Hopkins Study - Health Profile Of Pulp Workers (2 mb)

Study concludes, “The results of the study indicate that all workers in the pulp and paper industry do not have significantly higher rates of mortality from all causes or from any specific cause of death compared to the US population and, in fact, usually have significantly lower mortality ratios than the comparison population.”

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Jack
8/20/2010 06:54:07 am

Patrick;
"the truth on man-made climate change".

It has been proven to be cyclic and thats fact. 100 years of industry hardly trumphs 100,000s yrs of the evolution you speak of.
What causes the climate to change is much grander than this pulp mill.

Also with my research of your little group,,Carol, Sue ,Silvia ,Liz,,,,
It appears you all love to grand stand.
Are you all ever for anything. You all spend your time opposing many, many things in this area. Try a little positive aproach to some of lifes norms.

Its a long list of things people.

Try a little Google of Carol and West Eureka residents,,,They hate just about every project that comes along.

And thats what the record shows,,Most would call that a pattern of system abuse. Seems the search for a pay-off is what they seek.
Havent seen a rebuff to the fact they are advised by a notorious legal firm out of S.F. . Known for their black mailing pay outs from companys.
Collette Erickson Farmer & O'Neill LLP


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Patrick
8/20/2010 09:10:39 am

Jack,
Thanks for sharing your take on climate change; how about flying saucers? Actually you are confusing two separate issues, local air pollution and contribution to global co2 emissions. By the way, methane gas, one of the pulp mill's main emissions (like cow f-----) is 5 times as potent as co2 when it comes to man-made climate change--which I know you deny. Go ahead and research me all you want. You'll find I've been an activist since long before the Internet existed.

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T.P.Wypins
8/20/2010 11:06:52 am

P Oliver;
We best start getting rid of the millions of cows,,,,,, I dont deny in our short little lifes we see some different weather patterns .Again that proves to be cyclic Co2 rises and falls with events that occur naturaly. Ice caps and the ocean trap it,release it in cycles.
The methane gas at this mill is traped and burned.
You speak of science,,,then look at this mill and this mill only. Stop hashing the worlds mills in with this argument.

P.S
Darwin cant find the link to the monkey. But you buy that.
And science in general changes its stance every 5 years on one thing or another.
Are you so arrogant that you believe that you and your few years of school know all the answers.

God bless you,

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Bob Simpson
8/20/2010 12:16:58 pm

Patrick,

Methanol and methane gas are two different issues. The Samoa mill has metnanol, a natural wood sugar found in wood, corn, sugar cane, etc. Let's get it right before this pulp fiction becomes fact amongst the readers of this blog who sit on Carol's couch waiting for the next black cloud to pass by.

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T.P
8/20/2010 01:30:22 pm

My bad I agreed with the methane statment ,,,,Opps ,bad science om my part.

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T.P
8/20/2010 01:30:58 pm

And spellin

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Patrick
8/20/2010 01:31:23 pm

Bob, you are absolutely right about the methanol. I really haven't paid much attention to this issue for a couple of years. However, I still maintain that the general picture I sketched is correct. While the pollution control system disposes of some of the methanol EPA reports show significant amounts released as stack releases and fugitive air releases, I believe. As far as all this disbelief in "science", I don't know what to do with that. Our entire society and day to day life is based on the results of science. You can't say science is bunk when it has results you don't like and quote it when you like its results.

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Bob Simpson
8/20/2010 02:26:30 pm

Patrick,

Thank you for acknowledging the difference between Methane gas and Methanol. Now let's move on to C02.

I agree with you that C02 is destructive to our atmosphere. In fact, if you read the environmental section of our business plan I state the Samoa mill's daily release of C02 is 1,704 tons per day. When the mill closed in 2008, it was generally in compliance with it's Title V air permit. Nevertheless, we have a plan to make the Samoa mill carbon neutral.

The Power and Chemical recovery boiler is very efficient at burning organic methanol. In fact, it burns much more efficient than any biomass power plant in this county. Even though the same fuel is being burned in local power plants, I don't hear anyone complaining. Remember, all hog fuel being burned by power plants has the same organic methanol. The only difference is that we capture the cellulose and biomass power plants burn the cellulose and the organics.

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Tony
8/20/2010 04:44:59 pm

Jack,
Thank you. I got a pretty good laugh at your conspiracy theory thing with the Binder lawyer in Berkeley. Does that mean that everyone with the same last name is related? Way to Sherlock Holmes that. You sure showed them!
Boy these environmentalists in Eureka must be awfully well connected to be looking for a pay off (not even sure what you are insinuating by that)....Clearly these people are not concerned about their community, but perhaps secretly rich?

Maybe, Jack, now that there will be no mill you can open your own private investigating firm as you seem so adept at it. Perhaps first you should investigate having a clear and succinct argument, which you currently lack. Maybe had more money been put into the public school system you might have been able to find one.

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Jack
8/21/2010 03:04:36 am

Wow , Tony,,,
Thanks for your first time input ,,,,

Havent seen a rebuff to the fact they are advised by a notorious legal firm out of S.F. . Known for their black mailing pay outs from companys.
Collette Erickson Farmer & O'Neill LLP

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dedicated westender
8/21/2010 04:59:40 am

Thanks for admitting that Carol is not alone in opposing the mill seeking permits to pollute until 2013. Yes, she has "cronies" (other members of the League for Eurekans Against Pollution--LEAP)who are also worried that we cannot take more of the types of pollution that we endured before the mill shut down.

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Jim
8/21/2010 05:36:21 am

Anybody Bother to notice,
West end Eureka ,is "zoned an Idustrial corridor",

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Oliver
8/21/2010 10:14:43 am

Just for the record. Concerning the "John Hopkins Study", as I pointed out in April, what the study actual says is: "Pulp and paper mill workers indicated low risks of death from all causes (standardized mortality ratio (SMR0.74) and all cancers) SMR equal 0.81) compared with U.S. rates. The leukemia death rate in workers was not higherthan the U.S. rate but was HIGHER THAN THE RATE IN COUNTY POPULATIONS SURROUNDING MILLS." The study also found that lung cancer mortality was elevated in mills using kraft pulping. American Journal of Industrial Medicine, April 1998.

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Bob Simpson
8/22/2010 12:31:52 am

Oliver,

The entire John Hopkins study can be found on our website. The "Study concludes, “The results of the study indicate that all workers in the pulp and paper industry do not have significantly higher rates of mortality from all causes or from any specific cause of death compared to the US population and, in fact, usually have significantly lower mortality ratios than the comparison population.”

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Oliver
8/22/2010 06:56:17 am

Bob,
While I don't think throwing studies back and forth signifies much, I should point out that the study on your website is the result of a contract between John Hopkins and the American Forest and Paper Association. The study I quoted from, which is also by essentially the same researchers - Matanoski, Kanchanaraksa, et al - is a 1998 study published in the American Journal of Industrial Medicine. The results are somewhat different. Why don't you put it on your website? You might also look at the 1997 study by B.A. Rex, et al in the Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. A summary of this study begins "Studies in traditional paper mills have indicated an excessive cancer risk, and mutagenic compounds have been identified in the industry." I don't take a simplistic position on this matter. Epidemilogical studies are very tricky. To get solid results probably takes more time and money than anyone is really willing to invest--although I wish that someone would. I also think that in most instances assessing cancer risk is also a complex and difficult matter. Too often, in my opinion, the results are biased towards the group paying for the study. My specific interest is personal, the long term environmental/health effect of pulp mill emissions on nearby residents. Here I think the evidence is somewhat more solid and as I've said already, I intend to put some of this evidence on this blog as I find time.

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Bob Simpson
8/22/2010 09:57:34 am

Oliver,

Since I have posted the entire John Hopkins study on our website, could you please provide the readers of this blog the web link to the studies you are quoting? I would like to read the studies for myself. I do agree with you, history has proven how simple it is to incent a group to write a conclusion that serves the best interest of the party paying for the study. I will research to see who paid for the John Hopkings study. On a personal note, my brother and sister in law, both deceased after bouts with cancer, were treated by John Hopkins. I have a great deal of respect for their cancer research and treatment.

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Oliver
8/23/2010 08:59:16 am

I just looked at abstract summaries; you can go from there is you have the interest to go to the full articles. John Hopkins 1998, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9513642

John Hopkins 1997,
http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/146/2/186

Occupational and Environmental Medicine (B A Rix, 1997) http://oem.bmj.com/content/54/10/729.abstract

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